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Justimore Musombi: “Being Gay is Just OK”

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Quaker Justimore Musombi was a pastor in Kenya. That is, until he came out of the closet. Now he can’t go home. His heartbreaking story is this week’s QuakerSpeak.

Comments 18

  1. Jay Smith

    Praying that wonderful healing and transformation will come through you for people in general but especially Quakers in Kenya. Your courage is inspiring. I will be at FUM triennial in Indiana in June. I hope that you will be able to be there. God bless you always.

  2. David M Golding

    God Bless You Justimore for sharing your story with us, it was very touching and your courage and ongoing faith is an inspiration. Thankyou to Jon Watts and Quakerspeak for bringing this message to us and hopefully provoking thought in the wider Quaker community. I urge Friends to read the article and interview by/with Doug Bennett referenced above – well worth the time. From a gay Quaker (well an applicant for membership) in Sydney, Australia

  3. Karie Firoozmand

    I love QuakerSpeak. This series is so rich, it’s like having dessert for dinner. So sweet, so full of everything I love, so much variety to the sweet, sweet flavors. So leaving me wanting more. It’s delicious. It’s fabulous.

  4. Justimore Musombi

    Thanks all for your inspiring comments and prayers! I really do appreciate. Continue holding me in the Light. Blessings to you all.

  5. Eric

    I really feel for Mr. Musombi. It must be really hard for family, friends and the body of Christ to reject him as they have. Unfortunately, this is the path taken by so many who claim to be living a life in the likeness of Jesus, the Christ.

    With this said, however, I was a little disturbed at the line of thinking provided by Mr. Musombi in the videos. The defense against what scripture says on the subject is that people in first century Christianity were essentially homophobic and those passages do not relate to the Christian today. I would ask, then, if any passage of scripture is applicable today? What distinguishes one belief system from another is a standard. From this standard, we draw our worldviews. In true Quakerism, Christ is the standard (I realize that many within Quakerism do not acknowledge this, but as someone who has a family lineage within the Quaker movement spanning over 350 years, I am aware of what it was and what it has become). Hebrews tells us that Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. If this be the case, scripture, the Word of God, is also unchanged, though I realize many different interpretations have developed over the millennia. Simply put, this behavior is sinful, just as many other sins ordinary Christians commit and neglect (gossip, hypocrisy, etc.) are sinful. I am not a hate monger, but a fellow sinner seeking to help a brother through a tough time.

    When it comes to this situation and dealing with sin in general, I would point everyone to the opening verses of John 8. A woman was caught up in adultery, and the “religious” people brought her to Jesus asking if they should stone her as Moses instructed. These traps were almost certain to land Jesus in contradiction of either the law or his mission on earth. But in typical Jesus fashion, he says that anyone without sin should be the first to stone her. Realizing their iniquity, they all left with exception, of course, the only one who had not sinned, Jesus. He in turn assured that he would not stone her, yet also encouraged her to go and “leave [her] life of sin”.

    Mr. Musombi, I am glad that you feel led to unite your people in Kenya. It is God’s will that we be united to our brothers and sisters, across all walks of life. I also find it noble that you are continuing your education in the states, at Earlham. I will pray that God will give you an opportunity to be used by him to do great things for your people. I also pray that you realize that while God loves all (even LGBT folks) this behavior is sinful and keeping you from your mission to bring all together. God can and I pray will use your experience in this sin to bring others out of it, while affirming their great worth in the sight of God.

  6. Jay

    I feel compelled by Eric’s comments to say something more. I detect an arrogant pride in Eric’s assertion that he is knowledgeable on this because of his Quaker lineage. It seems that such professors of Christ don’t think there is anything in the Scripture that has been handed down to them which is not entirely consonant with God’s love and direction for all. That is not what many of us understand about the provenance of canonical scripture.

    We need to be clear that possessing Christ is what true faith is about. Scripture can be a helpful guide but it has always been the product of humans with all the errors that humans are capable of producing.
    I believe that the Levitical and Pauline condemnations of homosexuality are not part of the will of God. I don’t think that is inconsistent with Friends understanding either now or in the past. Even if we just go with canonical Scriptural texts attributed to Jesus for our understanding, we find that the only time Jesus spoke at some length on a subject touching on sexuality, he actually extolled those who found the Kingdom by becoming eunuchs. I would suggest that was what first century male to female transgender folk would have had done in the face of general lack of understanding (as they still do today in some cultures).

    Jesus may have said more that remains unrecorded in Scripture. Indeed, there is a reference to Jesus saying he had much more that he would teach but his contemporary followers were not ready for it. That is why he pointed his Friends to the eternal presence of the Holy Spirit. That spirit does not condemn people for being who they are. Just as some are transgender, some are only sexually attracted to their own gender.

  7. Gregory Paul Smith

    I cannot fail to respond to Eric. Despite his claim to Quaker lineage, it does not appear that he shares the Quaker understanding of the place of scripture in our spiritual life. Quakers have never taken the words of scripture to be the final authority, and have always looked to the Inner Light as the final authority for the gathered meeting. I would suggest that he read Barclay’s Apology for a fuller understanding of what early Quakers believed. If any of the words of scripture conflict with our understanding of how God is leading us, we must follow the Light that gave the scriptures to fallible men that wrote from their understanding of how God was leading them then. The scriptures can never be the final authority for Friends. Continuing revelation is of central importance to our testimony. I also find it disturbing that he refers to himself as a sinner. George Fox would not be pleased with that. He would say Eric was “pleading for sin”, as if we could never escape it, and that being a sinner was the essence of our nature. It really does disparage Christs gospel, if our nature cannot be changed by the working of the Spirit of God.

  8. Eric

    I respect the comment. It has caused me to think over my own words. My lineage is merely to show where I am coming from, as all credentials or works in our sinful state are rubbish in the eyes of God. I apologize for the arrogance that was interpreted. As for being a believer that acknowledges all scripture as consistent with God’s love and direction of all, I am guilty.

    Most who claim to be Quakers would claim to adhere to the writings of early fathers such as Fox and Barclay, and consider them as essential to their Quaker faith. Fox says in his journal:

    “That the holy scriptures were given forth by the Spirit of God; and all people must come to the Spirit of God in themselves, by which they might know God and Christ, of whom the prophets and the apostles learnt; and by the same Spirit know the holy scriptures; for as the Spirit of God was in them that gave forth the scriptures, so the same Spirit of God must be in all them that come to understand the scriptures; by which Spirit they might have fellowship with the Father, with the Son, with the scriptures, and with one another; and without this Spirit they can know neither God, Christ, nor the Scriptures, nor have right fellowship one with another.”

    Barclay says in his apology:

    “From these revelations of the Spirit of God to the saints have proceeded the Scriptures of Truth, which contain,

    I. A faithful historical account of the actings of God’s people in diverse ages; with many singular and remarkable providences attending them.

    II. A prophetical account of several things, whereof some are already past, and some yet to come.

    III. A full and ample account of all the chief principles of the doctrine of Christ, held forth in divers precious declarations, exhortations and sentences, which, by the moving of God’s Spirit, were at several times, and upon sundry occasions, spoken and written unto some churches and their pastors.

    Nevertheless, because they are only a declaration of the fountain, and not the fountain itself, therefore they are not to be esteemed the principal ground of all Truth and knowledge, nor yet the adequate primary rule of faith and manners. Yet because they give a true and faithful testimony of the first foundation, they are and may be esteemed a secondary rule, subordinate to the Spirit, from which they have all their excellency and certainty: for as by the inward testimony of the Spirit we do alone truly know them, so they testify, that the Spirit is that Guide by which the saints are led into all Truth; therefore, according to the Scriptures, the Spirit is the first and principal leader. Seeing then that we do therefore receive and believe the Scriptures because they proceeded from the Spirit, for the very same reason is the Spirit more originally and principally the rule, according to that received maxim in the schools, Propter quod unumquodque est tale, illud ipsum est magis tale: That for which a thing is such, that thing itself is more such.”

    I do not mean to come off as questioning of anyone’s faith, as that is the Father’s territory. I merely want to understand its derivation. If not scripture, if not the early Quaker fathers, than what? The spirit alone? The apostle John, through the Holy Spirit, tells us in I John 4 to test the spirits to see whether they are from God. Luke demonstrates such testing in the book of Acts 17:11, “now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” As for deciding which passages are “in scripture” and which can be disregarded, Jesus himself warns against this in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5, also in Luke 16). If we are discussing that of “the spirit” without any checks, our conversation must end here. Discussing the things of God in this way is as subjective as a discussion on which color is the best. God bless this discussion.

  9. Eric

    Friend, I grant that I am a Christian first and a Quaker second. To summarize Barclay’s Apology on this topic as I seem to interpret it differently, Scripture CANNOT be in conflict with the Spirit, as the Spirit dictated to the authors what to write, as again Barclay said in his Apology, which I am told I should read, “Seeing then that we do therefore receive and believe the Scriptures because they proceeded from the Spirit”. Scripture is the template by which all revelation must align, as it is the Word of God that we know for certain, and God cannot contradict himself. There could be (and surely) is more revelation apart from Scripture itself, but must be in harmony with that which is known. As for sanctification, salvation upon myself is rubbish. I deserve to burn in hell for all eternity on my own merits. But, because of Christ’s sacrifice, I am adopted as a child of God and my iniquity is done away with. Neither George Fox nor Christ himself would claim that a man is justified by his works, but by faith. The state in which I am in does not condemn me because I believe on Jesus, as Fox himself says. I do not seek to revert back to the Hicksite schism of the 19th century, which settled this very topic among the Friends. I realize that in those terms I would side with the orthodox and there are those who read this who would side with Hicks. I only mean to speak the truth in love and seek, “fellowship with the Father, with the Son, with the scriptures, and with one another” as Barclay put it.

  10. Bradford Wade

    I followed the suggestion to read Doug Bennett’s Friends Journal article “Homosexuality: A Plea to Read the Bible Together” (linked above). Bennett’s clarity on the subject is unusual and impressive. This article is an excellent resource.

    Before arguing with each other, we might first work to deeply understand Bennett’s article. Otherwise, we risk injuring others while we struggle to reinvent the wheel.

    Some who grasp Bennett’s explanation may want to look more deeply into scripture. I recommend “The Man Jesus Loved” by Theodore Jennings.

  11. Noah Kellum

    i am in Nairobi Kenya. i came out in 2008 and it was hell on earth. I was thrown out of home, I was excommunicated from Chavakali Yearly Meeting and Life has never been easy. I went with Jestimore Musombi to Friends Theological college and Kima international School of Theology. All I can say is I still strongly believe that God through His son Jesus Christ He loves all.

  12. WALTER

    Denomination can not take us anyware,we should understand and respect one another ,Oooh my fellow christians who is to judge ? 1oo% I support mr Musombi

    1. Eric

      I respect your opinion, Walter. When it comes to a “man of God” doing what is completely contradictory to God seeking recognition and acceptance for it, I will have to side with a few people who “judged” the religious people. Jesus made a whip of cords and drove people out of the temple who were acting against the Father. Paul addresses this very issue as sin and unacceptable for God’s people. John and Peter both rebuked false teachings contrary to Christ. Levitical law prohibited this behavior. The New Testament affirmed this behavior as contrary to God’s will for our lives. I am sorry if this offends anyone. Take it up with God.. It is His law. We are called to live by it.. If Mr. Musombi truly is a brother in Christ, he should take the loving rebuke scripture gives (and should be given by his fellow brothers). If he is in the world, he can do what he wants. If he belongs to Christ, he lost his right to be an individual and committed himself to the work of Christ. It is that simple.

  13. TIMOTY

    Iam a kenyan citizen ,aquaker from north yearly meeting ,what mr Musombi did its agood start, for those who are gays its our opportunity to claim our rights , its so challenging because its inborn and our friends should understand us ,God is the only friend who can understand our well being
    [ iam helpless…..please rescue

  14. WALTER

    oooh Eric , so how can can those who have a challenge like mr Musombi can be assisted .

  15. Michael Hope

    City & State
    Faison NC
    The Bible say that if you are gay you are going to Hell look it up in Corinthians

  16. leaonard Vince

    City & State
    Washington DC
    Its good that he has spoken the truth of his identity , the Bible is very clear in John 10: 10 , Satan came to still , Kill and destroy, but Jesus came to give us life and Life in abudancy.
    Justomre aka JustinNamtembi, Read 2 Chronicles 7:14.
    Homosexuality is a sin like stealing but worse of it , you are sinning aganist your own body. Is your body still the temple of the HOLY SPIRIT?
    Homosxeuality is an Evil harbit one can over come once you ask God to have full control of your body, brain and heart.
    The wages of SIN are death but the gift of Life is through Jesus Christ our LORD and Savior .

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